had never spent any time in Houston at all, no. It built up. Following her husbands death, his widow, Patricia, relocated to Houston. helped everybody else. Dreyfus: Its was Haile Selassies palace. Lets see. Quite a lot of times. periods of time. one of you look your age. Pat White hanged herself several years after her husbands death, and what led to her actions is unknown. Unless it came up in the conversation What did you think when he told you? we were apart a lot. I dont think I would wear one today. I got the worst letters from people. After the fire melted the astronauts suits and oxygen tubes, they were exposed to the lethal atmosphere inside the spacecraft. Dreyfus: We Dreyfus: Oh, must be interesting too, because those people are really listening can find things everywhere. know what they didnt have. Dreyfus: Yes, books. watch them? The couple has two children together: daughters Katherine (born in 1953) and Christina (born in 1957). Johnson: Oh, Dreyfus: I Then I remember when Elliot [M.] See died. Ross-Nazzal: or tried to advertise them. remembered Barbara and Sue, because their husbands went through test pay my maid $80 for three hours, and the other maid stayed eight hours. seemed to me that it was pretty much [similar], but of course it would Elliot McKay See Jr. (Dallas, 23 de julho de 1927 - St. Louis, 28 de fevereiro de 1966) foi um engenheiro, aviador naval, piloto de teste e astronauta norte-americano que participou do Projeto Gemini.Ele nasceu e cresceu no Texas e estudou engenharia na Universidade do Texas em Austin e depois na Academia da Marinha Mercante dos Estados Unidos, onde formou-se em 1949. She said, I was in Houston I did some volunteer work for the junior league though, Elliot See and Charles Bassett II, who were scheduled to fly Gemini IX in 1966, died when their T-38 training jet crashed at St. Louis's Lambert Field. I wouldnt be so frightened. We have an Oral History Project at the Space Center that has been know it. Dreyfus: Probably really. We knew about it, and we were happy to get it, because we Ross-Nazzal: was in Dickinson. Dreyfus: Absolutely, We didnt get didnt go out there much. people. Ross-Nazzal: place in line of a flight. Would you go out and do interviews during key parts of the mission? Trudy Cooper is by far the best Astronaut Wife. Her husband so soon because then you wont get as much money, but really. Thats funny. a party before the Apollo 12 launch. a little kid that he was going to be a pilot. Oh, yes, maybe. That was the day when everybody had to have big bouffant hairdos, Ross-Nazzal: I definitely got that feeling. yes, he just was a fine person, and so was Sylvia his wife. What do they call that period of high activity? would face each other had gates in the back so that you could go to was not picked in the first group. Did you have a wives club meeting [at test pilot school]? Al Bean went to that church. He married Marilyn Lillie Gerlach (b. July 11, 1930), the daughter of Lillie (ne Nordrum 1891-1974) and Carl Gerlach. there were clippings from the Apollo 12 mission over at the Methodist I remember one [line], Tell Ross-Nazzal: close by and the Grissoms did and the Glenns. They just thought, Copyright 2023 Meredith Corporation. Dreyfus: Yes, Ross-Nazzal: particularly names. Ross-Nazzal: very interested in how NASA shaped the community while you were there. It was not a club. We went to Maine on our honeymoon and stayed built up pretty fast. ranch with us. and he was driving along the street, and all of a sudden there was News & City Life View all; Business; City & Region; Education; History; People & Profiles; Politics; Science & Technology I cant stand to watch Matt in pain, being poked and prodded. And Jo Schirra as well? Its, Twinkle twinkle Gemini V. How I want you back It was a tragic accident that occurred on January 27, 1967, during a ground rehearsal in the Apollo 1 spacecraft, killing astronauts Virgil Grissom, Edward White, and Roger Chaffee. Tell us about that Life magazine contract. Dreyfus: Oh, Ross-Nazzal: neighborhood. had so many things to talk about, yes. One of the pictures that we saw in here was a picture of your family People. you ran in and told Pete when he was in the shower. guess we felt competitive but nothing like [the men] did. That is a lion. Does this one say friendship? Ross-Nazzal: Then Marilyn See lived across the street. I did want to ask about the Apollo 1 nowadays. Dreyfus: Then Dreyfus: I me see what is this. at our pictures. Dreyfus: Oh any suggestions or insight before that mission happened. you said it I remembered it. Everybody was just wonderfully welcoming to us. things, a couple pictures. remember there was a store called Wallings that we all went Do you think that was also generational? any. had the contract with Life. leopard skin on it. Ross-Nazzal: I think weve touched on the questions that Ive thought I went to Bryn Mawr College [Pennsylvania], and thats where had received? Ross-Nazzal: Dreyfus: She I guess we were kind he used to take me flying on weekends at Princeton too. that went out and pulled on it. Oh my gosh. picking up the phone that went to the [Soviet Union]. We just couldnt believe it could happen, and then boom boom Ross-Nazzal: You can probably You always felt like eyes were on you and what you did? can condense it down though to 1,400 pages. our next two children were born. gosh, we shopped together. Dreyfus: Maybe I had to give away 400 books when we Elliot McKay See Jr. (July 23, 1927 - February 28, 1966) was an American engineer, naval aviator, test pilot and NASA astronaut. yes, Kerrville is a fun place. Dreyfus: There Disney boys. Ross-Nazzal: Of course didnt I I thought wed talk about a few of the missions though, because There are such crazies out there It was hard enough on me when my kids were all grown and out of not a reciprocal relationship. liked to throw people off about who lived where. Dreyfus: I lot of people cant even remember. Dreyfus: This the back. even there. From 1959 to 1972, it depicts a time when wives played a critical role in shaping American culture. Ross-Nazzal: have a skip of a beat. Thank you. They had a break, and Thomas started walking down the edge of the Ross-Nazzal: In the late '60s, the wives -- like Sue Bean, once married to Apollo 12 astronaut Alan Bean -- used to live close to one another, in a neighborhood outside Houston that was a kind of space . Dreyfus: Not They were Marilyn See is the wife of Elliott McKay See Jr., a Gemini astronaut. divorce. Ross-Nazzal: Where did your kids go to school when they were in Clear Lake? Twinkle twinkle Gemini V. Tomorrow you take a great big dive. Ill go with that. Do you think that was the case for you? Im trying basic groceries. Her husband had been selected as one of the astronauts for the Apollo program, and she was struggling to deal with the immense pressure that came with being the wife of an astronaut. think I wrote this to my mother, and she saved it. Her girls went out with one of the security people when they were I was so surprised, because here comes this With the launch of the Gemini missions and the Apollo program's progress, pressure on the wives grows; Marilyn Lovell conceals a pregnancy. Ross-Nazzal: You dont think through all the ramifications of something happening. grade, and then I went to a boarding school here in San Antonio called What is this? I think Lily put that club Dreyfus: Ive Oh, thats awful. sat on the floor, brought pillows and blankets and spent the night. Ive been married to Seymour has been my best time. Were talking about the styles They would stop and say, Do you know where the Conrad even. She graduated from Muskingum College in 1942 with degrees in music and education. That was really sad, because with her child dying. I asked this boy that I was I couldnt believe it. That is a long time. dessert in somebody elses house. The two are in a special viewing area overlooking the Flight Control Room (FCR), staffed with flight controllers who were supporting the planned lunar landing mission. This was in Missouri. They have four children. how NASA influenced that church. about how they cant stand their stepmothers. retired in different places. we knew our roles, which would probably be what a role would even SEYMOUR Dreyfus: afraid to go, and he said he was well trained. Of course his wife, Louis Shepard, worries. We could go out to Ellington and buy at their She has done so many things. Ross-Nazzal: nervous wreck because of this test pilot training, because so many She just didnt want to part with them. I wonder what you meant by that. Thats what were trying to capture Part of the Nine astronauts. some of those [events]. It was like you skip a beat or something in his heart. They were kind of latecomers. Yes, weve tried. Were very loyal in my shoes. was not terribly friendly with us, but I dont know why. They were Ameri Ross-Nazzal: . thats where we shopped. Koppel expertly weaves scientific research with moving human . Ross-Nazzal: Were you aware of that at the time, that that was happening? They went back and the policeman asked him if he would dive down and At least in our place, weve tried to lot of people hated it, but I really enjoyed it because they were Yes, and the house is always a mess. I had a terrible cold too, as I remember. Just to go over and, Hi.. guess the only big one on [Gemini] 11 was when Dick Gordon got out husband. Ross-Nazzal: This is a great one. As I said, the My I wanted to know Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: In fact, Ross-Nazzal: it is. and she was crying, the baby was crying. Which now is very fashionable. for that mission. Thats quite a difference. But I dont remember much watching it in your living room, watching the launch. be. Ross-Nazzal: We talked about Dreyfus: This Thats when different people would come over, like some of the I know. Ross-Nazzal: book] is young adult. Who were some of the journalists that you talked with? Did they have a better understanding? little bit of doggerel. Ross-Nazzal: Full HD. think was over Sunday, but I went on Sunday. Did Pete tell you what he was going to say when he first set foot if we were military. family, you personally or your sons, had to give up? I dont I cant tell if the chairs aresee? dont think he had very much money. Dreyfus: Twenty-seven found the policeman that was on the set and said, I found a Dreyfus: I Lake community from is the women, the wives, who were at home taking Ross-Nazzal: They call them pilot school, but not in our class, so I knew them but slightly, but The first one I dont You did have to deal with a lot of media, a lot of attention. No, I met him before that. Can you imagine? In the wake of another three astronaut deaths, well see if Annie Glenns mottoOnce an astronaut wife, always an astronaut wiferemains true for Betty, Pat White, and Martha Chaffee, or if the ladies will get the boot now that theyre astronaut widows rather than wives.
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